Hungary and the IMF

Yes the problems in Australia are excessive credit, too many people in finance, real estate, sales and marketing but society is sound.

I don't think the communists sold state assets for cheap. Normally the government wants to get as much money as they can. It's the assets they were selling that were not worth much. At the end of communism 95% of Hungarian companies were losing money big time. There was bad infrastructure, poor management, uneducated workforce. Where exactly was the value? There was a tender and whoever offered the most got it. If it was really so cheap FIDESZ could have bought it themselves.

I left Hungary 25 years ago so can't comment on the red tape. What really shocked me in my last visit was that even educated people were totally ignorant and believed any senseless nazi propaganda. Hungary has no future in my opinion and I wouldn't invest a nickle there. Once the forint collapses foreign investors who bought real estate there will be looking at 80-90% losses. They are already close to 50%.

I have seen this happen from within the borders: I came here in 1996 and immediately had a high opinion about the hungarian people (almost all my friend and aqcaintances are Hungarian, I speak the language, know the culture) - I admired them for their intelligence, open midnedness and inventiveness (see list of Hungarian inventions).

Since then, something has changed. People, copying the behaviour of the main political parties, are now divided in two camps fighting each other, more xenophobic and much less tolerant (just look at comments in forums like these). I really hope this change is reversible.

The zionist bankers want to exterminate my nation by financial means, and you are saying we deserve it.

Do you think that the poor nation is nazi that is being wiped out, not those evil bankers who are carrying out this satanic plan, the Talmudnazis.

I have nothing to tell you after such a cynical and evil remark.
You are a truly racist and ignorant, and an evil person.

"The zionist bankers want to exterminate my nation by financial means, and you are saying we deserve it."

So why would they want to do it? Not to mention that there is no Israeli bank operating in Hungary. All banks are Austrian, German, Swiss, Italian. Where are the Jews exactly? And how would they do it after they bought up worthless Hungarian real estate at inflated prices? If someone bought my toaster for $100,000 I may say they were stupid but definitely didn't try to destroy me financially.

Let me see if I understand your thinking: First you killed the Jews, confiscated their property, then you sold it back to them at inflated prices and now you blame them for destroying Hungary? Well by this logic it's pretty obvious that I'm the racist ignorant evil person.

THe banks you listed are all in the hand of Zionist bankers living in Austria, Germany, Switzerland and Italy.
It is not the "chocolate factory worker Swiss Jürgen" or the "Italian pizzaiolo Giovanni" who are the owners of those banks. You know it well.

What you call "worthless Hungarian estate" is the best agricultural land in Europe, located on the most abundant thermal water reserve on Earth.
You are saying "you killed Jews, confiscated their property", which is so untrue, not even my father lived during WW2.

Hungary was the ONLY nation on the European continent where Jews were saved, the Hungarian National Army protected the Budapest ghetto from Germans, saving the entire Jewish population of Budapest.

And now the international bankers are coming back, and this is how they pay us. They bought up the country, made us debt-sdleves in our own land, and are exterminating the population by financial means.

THe banks you listed are all in the hand of Zionist bankers living in Austria, Germany, Switzerland and Italy.
It is not the "chocolate factory worker Swiss Jürgen" or the "Italian pizzaiolo Giovanni" who are the owners of those banks. You know it well.

What you call "worthless Hungarian estate" is the best agricultural land in Europe, located on the most abundant thermal water reserve on Earth.
You are saying "you killed Jews, confiscated their property", which is so untrue, not even my father lived during WW2.

Hungary was the ONLY nation on the European continent where Jews were saved, the Hungarian National Army protected the Budapest ghetto from Germans, saving the entire Jewish population of Budapest.

And now the international bankers are coming back, and this is how they pay us. They bought up the country, made us debt-slaves in our own land, and are exterminating the population by financial means.

"THe banks you listed are all in the hand of Zionist bankers living in Austria, Germany, Switzerland and Italy"

Those banks are all publicly listed companies. Where did you get the information that they are controlled by Zionists? Private banks had more sense than to invest in Hungary. To me it's pretty obvious that the public in Austria, Germany, Switzerland and Italy owns those banks, mostly via pension funds. But you are probably too stupid to even understand the term 'public company'

By the way, regarding the sold state assets: It never belonged to the government anyway. Those assets were stolen from their legal owners by the communists. So basically you are complaining that the government didn't get a good price for what it stole? How about giving it back to the people it took them from???

"the Hungarian National Army protected the Budapest ghetto from Germans, saving the entire Jewish population of Budapest"

Really? So why is there a memorial on the banks of the Danube in Budapest where the Hungarian nazis shot 15,000 Jews into the river? I guess it's a Zionist conspiracy too.

"And now the international bankers are coming back"

I thought the problem was that foreign investor are not coming back, stopped buying Hungarian junk assets at inflated prices and therefore the current funding crisis.

All banks in HUngary are controlled by Zionists. Everyone knows that. And the UK in ran by Zionist bankers too, it is in the pocket of the Rothschhild family, including all politicians, the royal familiy, large businesses, the whole City, banks, real estates, even you are their property.

"Those assets were stolen from their legal owners by the communists", here probably you mean Zionists who acted like communists all from the same origin, like the Hungarian communist leaders Kun (born Cohn), Rakosi (born Rosenfeld), Aczel (born Appel), Peter (born Eisenberger), and I could continue the list of these evil Zionist murderers who are responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of Hungarians died in gulag.

"memorial on the banks of the Danube in Budapest where the Hungarian nazis shot 15,000 Jews into the river? " They were 153 people, check wikipedia for example. Some the they were traitors who during the Soviet siege collaborated with the enemy. Their number has apparently inflated to 15,000, probably due to the immense business potential.

"I guess it's a Zionist conspiracy too." Probably this is your only trueful statement.

"And the UK in ran by Zionist bankers too, it is in the pocket of the Rothschhild family"

I guess Richard Branson, Lakshmi Mittal have no influence in UK finance, only the Jews. The Rothschilds are a small private bank now. With no real influence. Not much different from any of the private banks in Switzerland.

"Zionists who acted like communists"

Those "Zionists" you mentioned never recognized Israel and helped Palestinian terrorists every way they could to kill Israeli civilians. While on the subject, Kun wasn't even Jewish. His mother was Christian. Just another piece of nazi propaganda.

"They were 153 people, check wikipedia for example"

I don't know who wrote that article but my grandmother and grandfather said that the Danube was red from blood. Only 50% of the Jews in Budapest survived. There were 800K Jews in Hungary before the war and 100K after.

You are obviously a delusional nazi suffering from some major mental illness. You haven't presented a single valid argument except "It's the Jews, it's the Jews". As I said earlier, you deserve what you got. Isten nem bottal jar.

Martin, the Rotschilds own the UK, better if you get over it. What you call small private bank hides the largest private fund behind, the Rotschild familiy trust, estimated 500 trillion USD. All FED banks are held by the Rothschilds, practically US dollar is their private currency used by Americans.

Your argument is "nazi this, nazi that", and the usual Holomyths: The Danube was red from blood...Only 100 K survived... how about those hundreds of thousands in Israel (250K of Hungarian origin), and 6 million in the USA (of 0.5 million of Hungarian origin)???? They have been resurrected from their ashes?

No other nation suffered as much as the HUngarians in the 20th century. But we forgive, because we are a people oF God (Joisten). This is the difference with the "chosen people" (of Devil or Yahve) who are always crying for revenge ("you deserve what you got"- as you said), and are full of hatred.

Everywhere you go people hate the followers of the Satan, the Germans are bad, the Poles are bad, the Hungarians are bad, the Palestinians are bad, the Arabs are bad. Is it not possible that not the whole world is wrong but you?

Martin, Martin... turn away from Devil. Think why everyone hates those who follow the dark and evil tribal godess, Yahve. It is never too late. I forgive you and recommend you to convert and search for God.

You pretty much managed to convince me that you are insane. There is no point in having a discussion with someone who is out of his mind.

Maybe Hungary just has a higher incidence of mental illness and that's why there are so many spreading nazi propaganda. Thanks for the advice but you'd better see a doctor if you are not being treated already. Maybe during treatment you would also find out how much Jews contributed to psychiatry.

You are brave to try, but I don't think it makes much sense trying to comment the posts of guest-iilnwjn...

"I repeat: show me a reference or inline citation in the work of the Bulgarian. The Bulgarian guy. Show me a reference in his Bulgarian work. You claimed there are references there. Yet you cannot link them or show them. Therefor I conclude that you made your statement up."

Once again, I quoted his daughter and the people who judged Schmitt's dissertation. I think that's enough on this matter.

"And just to clarify some of the "proof" is idiotic. For example both people have written that on the 29th of November 1913 The International Fencing Federation was founded. That is some good proof! I mean surely Schmitt should have written 1924 December 22 to make his work different! You cannot claim ownership of historical facts first of all. Obviously both are citing the historical record as found in some archive.

Next you will say that random Bulgarian guy has ownership of historical facts? Maybe he invented the date when the IFF was founded. The other information is similarly "valuable", like what happened in certain IOC meetings and what are certain sports. I see absolutely nothing that could be considered the own research of the Bulgarian and not a part of the historical record as recorded by the IOC or basic facts (Fencing: is it really done by both men and women? shocking.) You see when the IOC held meetings on these issues they wrote down the contents of said meetings. So I presume that instead of getting a time machine and personally researching these facts, Bulgarian guy used these records and translated them into french."

It seems that from the "Schmitt and Georgiev worked together on this work" excuse you have now moved onto, the "they just copied the same stuff" excuse. Which one are you now choosing or are they by any chance both true? The problems with your new excuse are numerous:

(1) Since the Bulgarian guys thing came 5 years before Schmitt's and Schmitt knew about it (it's listed in the bibliography of his dissertation, though incorrectly!, further note about the bibliography: the professors who judged Schmitt's work in 1992 reported back then that his bibliography could not have been enough to produce the work) then Schmitt did not produce any original work (as the Office of the President is now claiming), which means he should not have been awarded a doctorate.
(2) Moving beyond this concern, there are multiple parts in his work which are translations, though they are unrelated to the factual part. Such as:
-the contents (for example, in the second chapter called "Analysis of the Program of Individual Sports" and the third chapter called "Analysis of the Program of Team Sports" the sports are listed in exactly the same order)
-on the 91st page, talking about the history of fencing, there is a direct translation, though this could have hardly come from documents of the IOC
and so on...
(3) If things came from documents of the IOC, then Schmitt should have made references to those and put them in quotation marks, as that counts as plagiarism too.

Just to have some more interesting examples for point (2): the conclusion is word by word the same too. Do you think that somehow the concluding remarks came from some IOC document too? Then really Schmitt had nothing new to say. Or did they work together with Mr Georgiev on the conclusion too? Or that's just a coincidence?

For example: http://hvg.hu/itthon/20120119_Schmitt_Heinemann_doktori_masolas

"And why are we not allowed to learn his name after all this time?"

A point of agreement between us. I would love to have the state security documents made public like they were in Germany. But I am afraid since Mr Orban is in power now, one would have to ask him that. But how does this add anything to the issue with Schmitt?

I do not want to compare Göncz (possible Kakukk) to anyone let alone Schmitt, before that issue is settled and historical research proves conclusively the identity of Kakukk.

To me even the possibility of being Kakukk is a much bigger issue than anything with Schmitt. Schmitt was working together with a friend of his from the Olympic Committee. Where they were both members where they both had access to the same non-public internal documents, minutes of meetings, background analiysis etc. Of course the HVG (which shouldn't be called a Hungarian paper as it is foreign owned), made sure that the friend in question was dead. It would be embarrassing if he was alive: he could put an end to this story within a few minutes.

But once again they checked every angle before releasing the story and double checked that the person in question was long dead...

"I do not want to compare Göncz (possible Kakukk) to anyone let alone Schmitt, before that issue is settled and historical research proves conclusively the identity of Kakukk.

To me even the possibility of being Kakukk is a much bigger issue than anything with Schmitt. Schmitt was working together with a friend of his from the Olympic Committee. Where they were both members where they both had access to the same non-public internal documents, minutes of meetings, background analiysis etc. Of course the HVG (which shouldn't be called a Hungarian paper as it is foreign owned), made sure that the friend in question was dead. It would be embarrassing if he was alive: he could put an end to this story within a few minutes.

But once again they checked every angle before releasing the story and double checked that the person in question was long dead..."

Well, first of all Schmitt had high political positions before 1990 and also worked as the director a hotel. There is zero doubt that he wrote reports to state security.

The daugther of the Bulgarian guy in question said just the opposite of what you just said and what the Office of the President claimed.

Do you actually believe yourself when you say this? The Bulgarian guy published his stuff 5 years before Schmitt published his dissertation. You are simply neglecting several questions: the two documents are almost word by word the same, that would have to be a rather huge coincidence. Schmitt (unlike his Bulgarian colleauge) failed to provide references. His dissertation is full of grammar and spelling mistakes and did not satisfy the requirements of a dissertation as it was pointed out by the dissertation committee too. This stuff just does not add up.

"The daugther of the Bulgarian guy in question said just the opposite of what you just said "

Ahh yes the daughter. See this article. "My father cooperated with Schmitt"
http://www.magyarhirlap.hu/kulfold/a_schmitt_pal_elleni_tamadas_tavaly_i...

"The Bulgarian guy published his stuff 5 years before Schmitt published his dissertation."

Not true. The Bulgarian's "stuff" was not actually published, it was made in 'two' copies which he typed on a typewriter. What he published was a book in 1996 almost ten years later.

"Schmitt (unlike his Bulgarian colleauge) failed to provide references."

Now you are just making stuff up aren't you? As far as I know the Bulgarian's work is not available online, if it is please feel free to link it.

Dude, seriously. You believe that it just so happens that something typed in 1987 by some Bulgarian guy is word by word the same as something written by someone else 5 year later, and it had not been copied?
That's a massive stretch of imagination.

About the Bulgarian guy's daughter, here is an interview with her which confirms what I said and contradicts what you said:
http://hvg.hu/itthon/20120112_malina_georgiev_schmitt_pal

About the references, see here, the opinions of the people who judged his work. They confirm both the lack of references and the abundance of spelling errors:
http://hvg.hu/itthon/20120112_Schmitt_doktori_opponensnek

Schmitt would not pass if he were to get a PhD today:
http://hvg.hu/itthon/20120112_schmitt_plagium_szakdolgozat

And finaly, here is some first-hand stuff, a pdf with quotes from the Bulgarian guy's work and from Schmitt's dissertation:
http://hvg.hu/document/SchmittPal.pdf

Let me just ask you this: if nothing wrong was done by Schmitt (so his work has proper references, does not contain spelling and grammatical errors and the liek), he would have a very simple way out, he should post his whole dissertation on his website. Why does he not do that?

you can see some extracts here: http://hvg.hu/document/SchmittPal.pdf

does the fact that the table of contents (!!) of the two works are ****completely identical**** seem suspicious at all to you? isn't it a BIT strange?
have you ever seen two books which are unrelated, by separate authors with the same goddamned table of contents???

all extracts shown are word-to-word translations with some abridgments. what are you trying to prove exactly? the guy is a petty thief.